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Changes
If you’ve been to ect.org before, you may have noticed big changes to the site. I’ve switched over to a CMS system (WordPress) to help me manage the site more efficiently.
There were so many old files - news stories, studies, and so on - that were important to keep online, but they were all hand coded in straight HTML. The new system uses a MySQL database, so I had to find a way to import every item. Rather than spend many months trying to do it by hand, I came up with a series of scripts (Unix, Visual Basic if you’re interested) to automate the process for me. It still involved a lot of work, but it was a fraction of what it would have been had I tried to do it manually.
However, the process involved taking HTML code, stripping it down to straight ANSI text, formatting it into the proper syntax for the database, and finally, importing. So there are bound to be some characters that were incorrectly converted, strange typos, and other minor errors. As I see them, I’ll fix them. But in the meantime, you may run into an odd question mark that should have been quote marks, or something like that. If you’re so inclined, you may let me know of a typo or other errata by clicking on the contact page (located on the left sidebar under “About ect.org” and also at the bottom of each page in the footer section). Send me a note, but please be specific. I need an exact URL and some kind of description of the problem. General emails that say “Hey I saw a typo” are unhelpful.
That said, I hope the new system will be more efficient, and easier to maintain. The site has grown quite large and keeping up with it on a timely basis can be a daunting task. I’m pleased to announce that my dear friend and colleague, Linda Andre, will be an editor and regular contributor at ect.org as well. If you’d like to know more about Linda, please see the CTIP pages, link located under Affiliated Sites links on the left menu.
Also please note that the “added” dates on all of the older articles will be July 2006, because that’s when they were ported to the new system. However, the original article dates are normally listed within the body of the articles for your reference.
History of ect.org
I began ect.org in 1995, and it’s gone through many evolutions. Despite cosmetic changes, my goals have remained constant: to provide as much information as possible about electroconvulsive therapy for anyone who wants it, and to provide a sense of community and support for those who have had ECT, good or bad. It really is that simple.To learn more about me, my own involvement with ECT, and a more detailed history, please see the original “Why I created this website” page.
Who is behind the curtain?
My name is Juli Lawrence and I started ect.org over a decade ago. You can read more about why I started it by clicking the link in the previous paragraph. There are no corporations or other organizations behind me. I receive no funding to run the site, and run it out of my own pocket. I do accept donations to help defray the costs, and I sell Amazon books as well.
In the past, I’ve tried other affiliate programs and some Cafe Press items, but Amazon seems to be the most successful. It’s not huge, but every little bit helps offset my costs. So if you’d like to help out monetarily but don’t have spare money to donate, you can make sure that when you purchase books and other items at Amazon, go through this website so ect.org gets a small commission. I also briefly tried Google ads, and that was a disaster. First, I never made a cent, but more importantly, the ads were ridiculous. They either promoted pharmaceuticals in ways I considered sneaky and somewhat deceptive, or products completely unrelated to the site. I also don’t like the idea of cluttering up the site with a bunch of ads, so I quickly dropped that.
This site has always been - and will always remain - devoted to sharing information and providing support, not making money.
In the interest of full disclosure, I offer the following:
1. I have lifelong ties to the pharmaceutical industry. Members of my immediate family are either retired from the industry, or currently work in the industry, for one of the major corporations. They are “company men.” My childhood was spent under the umbrella of this corporation and I grew up surrounded by everything related to this company. To this day, I have giveaway products around my house, and on my desk: mugs, calculators, sticky notes, pens, backpacks and so on. I have personally profited - and continue to profit - directly and indirectly, from the profits of the pharmaceutical industry.
That said, I’ve never worked for the company and do not currently own any stock in the industry. My close family members do, but that’s their business, not mine. I’ve been privy to “inside” information that I wish I did not know, but it’s nothing that isn’t already available in books that expose industry practices. (The book I consider the best expose on the pharmaceutical industry is “Bitter Pills” by Stephen Fried, available at Amazon. It remains on my personal list of top ten favorite books.)
So, my “ties” to the pharmaceutical industry are by proxy, by way of family members who have spent their careers with the company. While I *personally* have been on the receiving end of the benefits of the most profitable (legal) industry in the world (according to Fried), I remain critical of industry practices and do not receive any funding from them.
This is why I am quite sympathetic to the criticism against President George W. Bush regarding his “ties” to the pharmaceutical industry. From what I’ve been able to gather from the information made available by fellow activists, his ties result from his father, the first President Bush, formerly being a board member with Eli Lily.
If he’s guilty by association, then I am equally as guilty. If you hold a person accountable for the career choices of family members, then yes, President George W. Bush and I share the same crime: we have ties to the pharmaceutical industry.
GUILTY!
Sorry, but that’s lame and I’m the kind of person who calls a spade a spade. Based on the information available to me, the attempt to smear the current president as a pharmaceutical industry hack is weak. There are plenty of things one can criticize about the president. His ties to pharmaceuticals are not one of them.
2. I have received monies from both state and federal governments, some while in my capacity as owner/operator of ect.org. The state funding came long ago, pre-ect.org, when I worked for an agency that provided medical and social services for adolescents in Illinois. Illinois tax dollars paid my salary. I also taught for two years at a state university, with my salary coming from federal and state money. (This was also pre-ect.org.)
Since the founding of ect.org, I have received expense money and small honorariums from the federal government, SAMSHA to be more specific. (Under Health and Human Services and CMHS.) I have given lectures and presented papers at federal agency conferences, speaking for myself and ect.org. The funding for my travel expenses and honorarium came from the federal budget, and therefore, tax dollars.
I also served on the committee that researched and produced the CMHS statement on electroconvulsive therapy. Again, my trips to Washington, DC were paid for by the US Government, as was my honorarium.
Additionally, I served three years on a federal advisory committee (we made policy recommendations), also within SAMSHA/CMHS and my expenses/honorarium were funded by federal dollars. My term has since expired.
That sums up my “funding.” None of the funding has been for the benefit or operational costs of ect.org.
However, I am currently in partnership with a friend and we are exploring opportunities - governmental and private - for research funding. If you hear of grants that might be appropriate, please let me know via email.
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I spoke with you a few weeks ago, but haven’t heard from you since our talk. Maybe I said something to piss you off ? If so I am sorry !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please call me or e-mail me, so you can help me with my fight to get an attorney. I have my nuro-psyc test results now. The results show for sure that the 98 ECT’s gave me brain damage. I have a doctor who will testify ,but I need help from you !
Please let me know what your phone number is ?
Sorry if I am being a pain in the butt, but I want to see the doctor who did this to me fry in HELLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks , Barb 509-899-2677
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Hope your writing continues to influence others for the good.
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My 200 page book is out and being sold from my home address - we need a real publisher to spread the word.
It’s not about selling books at £9 or £10 its about helping folk find their way into a new and enlightened way of life using every day experiences to swing it all around - see life in a completely new way - as I have discovered for myself after 10 years living in West Africa and seeing this and so many childhood dreams come to fruition. Zen Mind helps to find its own way of doing - just sit back and watch things happen of themselves - Chinese Way - tsu-jan!!
i had ect from dec.o6 to jan.07 , now it is may o7 and I feel like i have depression again.
do I need matance ect ?
I stumbled across this website by accident and am truly shocked to discover that ECT is still being practiced in 2007!
I studied psychology in the 80’s and already there had been about a decade’s worth of longish-term studies on the clinical and cognitive effects of ECT on patients. It was concluded time and time again that ECT has no long-term beneficial effects and caused all manner of serious damage to cognitive functions and severe (often negative) personality changes.
I believed that as a result of these studies, ECT had been long dismissed and the practice abandoned. It beggars belief that there are still serious ‘professional’, well-intentioned people who still inflict such barbaric ‘treatment’ upon unwilling patients.
There is something disturbing about a profession that condones this kind of activity by cloaking it in a respectable veneer. Much like eugenics in the 1900’s, lobotomies later on or ‘ethnic cleansing’ in more recent times.
As much as we would like to think so, our world is not a scientific place at all. We are still living in a time of barbarity and superstition and dogma.
Perhaps by coming to terms with how this ‘priesthood’ comes into being and how it is maintained can we begin to counter the well-meaning yet destructive practices of powerful and ‘qualified’ professionals.
The trouble is that this issue only really affects the ‘dustbin’ of society. People who are struggling internally and are not so articulate, and probably have little influence or economic power. So most people simply don’t care.
Well done for raising awareness about the issue of ECT!
And you are right in your goal of course. It should be banned outright - immediately - until or unless it can be unequivocably shown to be beneficial in the long-term and even then limited to very specific cases as the ultimate last resort.
I video taped the:
Electroconvulsive Therapy
National Institutes of HealthConsensus Development Conference
June 10-12, 1985.
I have converted and edited the VHS to DVD.
I have given a set (6 disks) to Don Weitz and am mailing a set to George Ebert.
My wife and I leave for Russia on the 18th. I would like to mail a copy to participants:
Leonard Roy Frank, Peter Breggin and Judy Chamberlin. Could you put me in touch with them that I cold get a mailing address to send them a set of the disks?
Hi,
I am sorry to see that you’re a victim of this horrible crime. I’m sorry for your ties to the pharmaceutical industry. No matter where we turn, it seems, we all have that 6 degrees of separation. I stumbled across this site in researching ECT and other things due to finding that a distant, but connected, relative is active in administering ECT. Well, I am a member of the Church of Scientology, a veteran staff member, and as a person who works daily to combat the atrocities, I am living proof that this garbage can hit anyone in any way.
Enough of my situation. I mainly just wanted to tell you ‘well done!’ for your persistence on keeping this site up despite the repeated reasons not to. You have the truth, so you will prevail!
I had ECT treatments in November of 2006. I was at The Brdigeway Hospital in Little Rock, Arkansas for PTSD. I was robbed and shot at a funeral home where I had worked for 14 years. I was in no shape to decide on the treaments. Mr doctor said it would be good for me. I had two treatments. To this day, my memory still isn’t back(October 27, 2007). I would never reccomend anyone do this. It haunts me still. Don’t do it for Heaven Sake!!!!!!!!!!!11
iam on the receiving end of ect, i will undergo my last ect tomorrow. my head is still ringing.
ive had a weeks worth at the local va.
i’ve had a weeks worth of ect at the local va
and my head will never be the same.
i had ect after haveing my first child i was told how good it was and would maybe forget a few minor things like telephone numbers but they would soon return ireally didnt like the sound of it and it didnt seem natural to me doing things like that i was then told that if i didnt sign for it they would take my baby of me so i agreed it was really awful i can not remember any thing after ithow i got home people coming to see me nothing conversations after my next one the following week i can remember saying i felt like i was brain dead and didnt want any more and my professor said dont be silly nobody has ever been braindamagd by it you ave to have it done i was frightened so i did by the third time iwas like a complete zombie and it was like been in a bubble it was awful and the headaches and pains in my body was very painful when they took me for my fourthsession something in mhead said dont have it done so i said as they was about to take me down on the trolly i said no im not havein it done my professor said you have to and was really talking me in to it and the lady who takes you down said she doesnt have to we can not do it if she says no so i said no again and never had it done and i do believe that if i had it done again i would have been brain damaged or serverly damaged i get very angry because i think i could have refused it all along but they tricked me when i was very vunerable and probally have thousands of others i thinks it is wrong it has left me with realy bad short term memory loss its like brainfreeze you just go blank like when your tired and can not fuction properly its like that but all the time i would tell any body who thinking about it not to have it done unless it really is a last resort and if you are very vunerable and think that is the only option get your family to do as much research as they can and defently never have more then two sessions i would love to take it further but i dont think you can argue with professors when you have sufered with mentle health and i know they are very clever people and have helped a lot a people but they dont always get it right and i know i have gone but by stateing this i just hope i help some body dont agrree because you think you have to it never helped with the depression thanks for reading
I guess I am one of the lucky ones. After an extended debilitating depression with treatments including counseling, hospitalization and drug threapy my caretakers suggested I consider ECT. I was SHOCKED (pun intended)! I had no idea they did that to human beings any more!!!
I was educated on the process and the risks and then allowed to make my own decesion. As I could not live any longer in the condition I was in, I chose ECT. Maybe my doctor and staff are just miracle workers, geniuses, or God’s answer to ECT but after 22 treatments I am ME again! I have been well and back to work living happily as I once did for over a year since my last treatment. ECT and Doctor Steven Warnell saved my life and I will be forever grateful.
I know that your site is interested in testimonials from any and all ECT participants. Mine is a wonder story. Good health, Living the good life again, NO SIDE EFFECTS!
I do however agree that no one should be given this treatment without their informed consent My treatments were well screened and documented and took place primarily in 2006.
Thanks for your open forum.
Laurie Schonert
I had ECT 12 times, apart from a little short loss of memory, it led to a improvement in my depression.
Had 12 ECT treatments three years ago, depression has now returned. ECT definetley helped me then . I am going to do the ECT again
i’ve been having drug and talk therapy for bipolar for 15 years and have been severely depressed for about a year. lamictal, abilify, effexor and lithium aren’t helping at all.
the doctors are saying try m.a.o.i. patch and if that doesnt help the next step is ect. any help about unilateral vs bilateral, what settings on the machine. how often ect should be given and how long to continue. i have spoken to one person who had ect, she said “you’ll know if it is going to help after 4 or 5 treatments”. yeah, i am frightened of any memory loss, at the same time i need help. appreciate your site.
respect’
thomas
Ect should only be optional for anyone who is interested after listening to the pros and cons.
I had 6 treatments. No medication worked for my depression. I improved my mental condition 75%. Do I need more?
ECT has been the only thing that has worked for me. After treatments, I have side effects including being depressed, nervous, sore throat, jaws hurt, tired, some memory loss but not that bad. These may last for a week. I don’t see other people mention these. Am I alone in experiencing these side effects? I generally have a treatment about every 3 months.
I was forced to have insulin shock therapy at age 20 because of a suicide attempt. In Texas it is illegal to try to commit suicide and I was locked up in the State Psychopathic Ward, and had Insulin Shock administered against my will.
I am now 60,and have a lot of physical problems, and I have huge patches of time involving years that I have no memory of.
Is there any treatment or anyone that can help me?
I have research ECT for about 3 weeks now, and from what I see, it is terrible.
If you are over the ago of 65, the death rate of ECT is about 1 in 200.
And memory loss is very common, even for years at a time.
This should not be the only place you research ECT if you are considering it!
This is your life and your memories, do research before going through with it!
I have had 6 ect treatments so far for depression as part of a 12 total treatment plus maintemance plan. So far, I am having major memory loss, and jaw pain. I am a part of a group of 5 and we all seem to be having the same side effects and are wondering if it is worth continuing on with the treatments. Do the risks outweight the end results? We totally feel wiped out after each treatment and it takes us the rest of the day to recuperate and have to go through the whole procedure again the next day as we are twice a week out patients. We just all have the same concerns as to how safe are these treatments in the long run? The memory loss is getting worse and worse with each treatment as evidenced by my family, which is extrememly frustracting for me. Will this memory loss return? I am seriously rethinking the rest of the treatment series. As far as the depression, I am feeling better, but the memeory loss and the jaw pain is getting worse.
My wife has been acutely Bipolar for 23 years she is getting more depreesed and hospitalized more frequently than ever in the past year. She has beaten up her mother and attempted massive suicide attemps many times. After one treatment of ECT I am freaked out. But I have not been consulted by anyone and it is totally out of my hands. I would not even know how to stop it but other than shipping her out to a natural cure clinic I HAVE NO Hope of her coming back. She only wants to be homeless and die from something other than her own hand.
There is somethings don’t need to remember because i don’t like to remember that’s why don’t mind losing my memory somethings is not important to me any more. That is why i feel that the shock treatment is very important.
I had a severe depressive episode in 1970 when I was 20.I ended up having 3 ECT treatments.I was totally cured.Ifinished college and started my own business.I was fine until 1985 when Ilost my business.I had 8 treatments which only lasted about a year.I`ve been having maintenanceECT off and on ever since but it just doesn`t last.My new psychiatrist thinks Ishould try treatments from the old type ECT machine;the sine wave machine,since I did so well in 1970.I heard they stopped manufacturing it in 1982.Could you give me advice as to how Imight find a hospital that still uses the old type of machine?Ilive near Seattle,Wa.,but Iwould go anywhere to try this.Any help would be extremely appreciated.Thank you so much.
Wife ended up with 4 treatments she was much improved at the 3rd but now she has hourly severe mood swings. Still wants to be on the street still believes a new life is hiding somewhere in the southern warm United States and wants to hop on a bus and never come home. Do not know what to think of the ECT at 4 treatments but she has been out of the hospital 2 weeks and her memory is much worse now than it was before. But there is still no drugs that help her and will not listen to Bryon Katie or self help writers or participate in any vitamin theraphy. So looking for some new help before I lose her. But she has to help!!!!!!!!!!All the cured people must have positive desires to be well.Positive affrimations are the key to everything working.
I have read all the positive and negative comments about ECT. It seems like there are many who are pro ECT and those who are con. Is it possible that there are doctors are their performing ECT who are no really quailfied, or educated enough about it. Why are there many people who are so aginast it because of things like short term memorey loss and decrease cognotive abilities, yet there are those who can return to work and function fairly well? One point is the professor in “A Beautiful Mind”. How could a man go back to teaching subjects of complex mathamatics, after recieveing so many treaments? Yet some people cannot function at all? Perhaps its time to gather review the practices and procedures Doctors used who are involved in ECT. I suffer from depression, and take strong medication. Which causes me some memorey loss. But the depression and anxiety are much worse than the side effects, so I tolerate it. All the best to you and your website.
After 25 years of depression and trying countless medications I’ve been told that I’m a likely candidate for ECT. It’s difficult for me to put any trust in the hands of psychiatry having so many God awful experiences. All I know is that I don’t want to be hospitlized AGAIN and if I reach a point of desperation I may consider ECT. Good luck to all who are dealing with this and thanks for all of your insight, it’s very important to share information in this regard!
I have no memory of six years(2000-2006)of my life that included major depression treated with ECT. I cannot truly admit to ECT treatments being the sole cause of my mental recovery I owe that glory to God. To those of you that question your side effects I would like to say, I suffered from major headaches, body aches, jaw pain and extreme fatigue following each ECT. I have flashbacks of entering the hospital OR to have the ECT administered. I remember the pathetic glares (rolling of eyes)on the nurses faces telling the replacement shift of nurses, “Oh, those are just the ECT’s” as we entered in single file. When I questioned my memory loss my doctor explained that it was NOT caused by the ECT but by my stressful past memories. She also said that my memory would return. To this day I have no memory retention of those years. Praise to God I have recovered. I would like to hear from other sucessful recoveries as well. My email is neetschavez@yahoo.com
Hi Juli,
I hope you get to see this and are able to reply. Firstly, may I compliment you on a good site.
I too have disclosure - I work as an independent consultant in the pharmaceutical industry and thus I earn my family’s bread by working on a project-by-project basis. Currently one project requires me to determine how much ECT costs to administer, that is, how much per session for the total of all costs - establishment costs, doctor and nurse time, anasthesia, even amortisation of the equipment and anything else. I’m trying to find sources for this info in France, Germany, Italy and Spain. Can you suggest where I can get this info or do you have it yourself?
Or if any patients on this site are from those countries and get charged for ECT, please let me know how much you pay plus (if relevant) how much your insurance company pays.
All help gratefully received.
Many thanks,
Vincent
I have suffered from major depression for 15 years. After 2 hospitalizations and becoming suicidal. I opted for ECT. I have had 20+ treatments in a declining pattern. My depression has been lifted and I feel better than I have in the last 15 years. I have memory lost centered around the time of my intense treatments (3 times a week). As we have moved to the maintenance treatments (once every 4 week), my memory loss has stopped but the physical side effects have worsened. ECT is a risky treatment but when it works correctly it is well worth it.
After reading this website’s information it has helped me make the informed decision NOT to have ECT done. Memories make us who we are, without them we are no one. I would like to have my memories intact instead of going through with ECT and losing them.
Umm I pretty much disagree with all you haters. I have been doing ECT since June getting it done about every 2 weeks. I had memory lose like I would forget what people would tell me for a couple days after the treatment, nothing big. I beleive ECT is a treatment from God it has done wonders for me. I can actually make it through the day without cutting or wanting to kill myself, planning how I am going to do. For someone who is so depressed that nothing is helping. You should try ECT don’t listen to this crack heads, there idiots.
I am now on maintenance ECT treatments in a hospital in Florida. I go every four weeks for a treatment. These have been very helpful in lifting my depression. I’m afraid that I did have one very frightening experience though. Unfortunately the muscle relaxant they give took effect before the anesthesia they gave me, and this left me paralyzed and unable to breathe on my own (or even to tell anyone I couldn’t breathe). I’m very careful to tell the anesthesiologist about this each time I go now so this situation won’t be repeated.
Judy
I am exploring ECT and welcome feedback, positive and negative. I have suffered from depression since a child, intermittent until 4 years ago where the depression has become dibilitating…spend more time in bed then anywhere else. Am on 4-5 medications that releive the suicidal ideation. Have had 3 serious suicide attempts in the past 3 years. ECT is looking better and better to me. Less concerned of memoroy loss, more concerned with the paralysis of the depression. Will be talking to my psychiatrist oct. 14th. Thanks for any and all help.
Carey
I just started ECT treatement on Monday and have had two treatements so far. My major side effect has been extreme exhaustion. I get home from the tx around 9am and sleep till around 12pm then manage to
stay awake till around 3pm then sleep till around 6pm then somehow stay awake till around 11pm then sleep till after 8am the next morning. I never slept that much before. On my non-treatment days I am still tired but manage not to nap. Has anyone else experienced extreme exhaustion after treatment?
I haven’t really had much memory loss just a sore throat. Thanks for any feedback.
To Ann M.:
I have had over 70 ECT treatments. I have to be at the hospital at 5:30 a.m. for maintenence treatments once a month now. Because of this early hour, I am a little sleepy afterward, and when I get home, I sleep an hour or two to make up for having to wake up so early. Other than that, I am not tired at all. Unfortunately, I have suffered from serious memory loss. I just have to understand and accept it by now that it is a part and result of my ECT treatments. I have had as many as three treatments in a week (Monday, Wednesday, and Friday) for depression. It successfully stopped my depression, but I do have to live with the memory loss.
Judy
ECT has both saved my life and ruined my life! After having 21 bi-lateral shock treatments in 1994 for suicidal BiPolar Depression, I am still receiving SSDI but my primary diagnosis has been changed from BiPolar Disorder to Amnesia from Medical Treatment. Even Social Security recognizes the fact that ECT can wipe out a person’s memory.
I am 50 years old and am left with some childhood memories. Most of my adult life has been wiped out and been retold to me by friends and family. This has been emotionally devastating.
The worst is that I find I am unable to form new or current memories most of the time, if at all. It seems that my memory damage is getting progressively worse. My current psychiatrist is thinking about prescribing a medication used for dementia!!! I am terrified to take this medication.
Is there anybody out there who has had ECT over 10 years ago that has trouble currently with short term memory and being able to form new memories? I cannot remember 2 or 3 days ago if I don’t write it down. People constantly tell me things I’ve done or things I’ve said that I have absolutely no recollection. I don’t know where to turn for help or if there is anything that can be done for this severe memory impairment.
Thank you for reading this. If you are considering ECT, PLEASE PLEASE try anything and everything else first!!
I am 56 years old this December and had shock treatment maybe the year was 1976. I had maybe 6 or 8 treatments. I remember being in the room and being treated the first time. It is really strange, one man said to me oh I have used too much voltage and turned the machine down and the second man said that could have killed you and he said something about sedation and I said I had not had any and he said I should have had some. Another time to sedate me a man used a huge empty syringe and sucked blood out of my right arm then pushed the blood and the bubbles into my arm and the inside of my head went dreadfully fussy and I went unconcious. I can still see that happen today when I think about it. I think my short term and long term memory almost does not exist sometimes. I have come to know of Jesus recently and I believe the Lord can heal me and has already done an instant healing while I was watching a USA 700 Club Christian TV program. I did feel the unusual healing take place the instant the message finished…that instant! in New Zealand. First step, ask Jesus into your life and say the Prayer Jesus taught! because I need help from Jesus.
This is the first time i have seen this siteand i cannot believe that this barbaric treatment is still aloud to continue. My wife who was 82 on the 21/11/2009 had 38 ECT tretments after suffering postnatal depression in 1950/1951 has suffered a life of anxiety and fear of the medical proffession ever since. Her suffering during treatment was terrible to watch . Currently after the death of my daughter in law she is in a terrible state and to make matters worse she is frightened to seek any help. One thing that she has never suffered is any loss of memmory at all. But my God this BARBARICK treatment must be stopped.
Frank, The ECT that is given now is fast, safe, painless, and effective, so there’s no need to worry about it. During the treatment the patient is given a short-acting anesthetic, and awakens after the treatment is over. As such, the patient does not feel anything or even remember anything. However, there still is a possibility of some memory loss. I hope your wife won’t be hesitant about giving ECT another try. It has been a life-saving experience for me.
Judy What you describe is almost exactly what happened to my wife. but i did get the dates wrong
it was 1957/1958. I still believe that this treatment given for Post Natal Depression is BARBARIC and any Practitioner should be banned from the medical proffession. this comment is based on 50 plus years of my wifes suffering from this treatment.
I am looking into ECT for my husband. He is not responding to medication. He has severe depression for the past 5 months. We are going to Fair Oaks Hospital tomorrow. Any feedback would be welcomed.
Julie, what’s the rush!??? ECT is a treatment based on studied ignorance - no one really knows how it works or even if it works at all. It has arguably helped a few lucky people on rare occasions, but the entire process is shrouded in mystery.
I can understand that many people go ahead with this treatment as a last resort. Your husband is not at this stage yet - it’s only been 5 months. I have friends who’ve been depressed for years - it’s awful (and maybe even life-threatening because of the suicidal tendencies), but not so critical yet. After all, people with a broken leg lie in hospital for about the same time. Why would you expect a “broken mind” to mend in a shorter time? And more serious ailments might require 3-4 years in a treatment program.
Who diagnosed your husband with “severe” depression anyhow? It’s a relative and very subjective term. It’s partly a “western” epidemic, over 50% of the population are depressed, around 25% of women in the west are on anti-depressants. A lot of it has to do with advertising, believe it or not - the fundamentals of modern advertising is to make you feel inadequate in some way that only buying the product can address. I’ve met super wealthy people who are depressed, when it actually turns out they are bored (and spoiled). They’ve got nothing left to buy as they have it all.
But even medication is a witchdoctor’s craft. If you look into research conducted by the large pharmaceutical companies, you will discover disturbing trends. Most of the unfavorable research findings are unpublished, a lot of the studies show statistical significance which belie the general effectiveness of the treatment (as you are discovering), many doctors and researchers and their professors are wooed by the pharmaceutical companies in subtle ways (which skews the research and often affects the results - see Rosenthal), the side effects of the medication are seldom studied in depth and often glossed over, and most doctors have little understanding of how the medication actually works so they prescribe them all on a trial and error basis.
Before resorting to ECT, there are a few other avenues you can explore, each of which are themselves shrouded in ignorance and mystery. But at least most practitioners will admit this to you openly and try to design a personalized treatment program based on a more thorough pre-assessment of your condition.
For instance, try “orthomolecular” therapy, which is basically overdosing you on vitamins and minerals based on an assessment of what might be deficient in your body. Look it up on wikipedia and quackwatch (who will debunk it of course). And maybe pay earthhouse.org a visit and at least give it a try before proceeding to ECT.
Another approach that might be effective is NLP. It’s mostly hypnosis and many NLP practitioners are useless. Don’t trust their qualifications, you only need to attend a few seminars and fork out $10K to become a “master” practitioner. But do ask around and try to find an NLP practitioner who has some track record in dealing with depression. Maybe try more than one. At least give it a go, you’ve got nothing to lose.
You should also seriously consider “logotherapy” as developed by Victor Frankl. He attributes the main reason he survived the German concentration camps to his sense of purpose and meaning in life. His associates who had no meaning in life invariably perished, and he noticed this malaise amongst a wide range of people, many of whom died prematurely (of “natural” causes). A more recent long-term study inadvertently corroborated this, of all the factors contributing to long life, a happy disposition seemed to be the most outstanding criterion. Regardless of ailments, background, genetic makeup, etc. those people with a happy disposition tended to outlive the rest of us by 20 years!
Finally, there’s EFT. See www.emofree.com. Also shrouded in mystery, but with enough successful outcomes to make it worth exploring also. And it’s totally drug free and non-invasive. Perhaps another kind of hypnosis or placebo (or even witchdoctor) effect. Maybe there’s something to the “chee” or “energy” therapies. For many people it works, so you also have nothing to lose except your time.
Let us know how it goes.
ECT saved my life. That’s all there is to it. In 1996 I was suffering from the worst depression in my life. At one point I decided to end my life and took an entire bottle of Vicodin. Fortunately, I was unsuccessful and, to make a long story short, was eventually offered ECT as a last resort. I initially went though 12 treatments. I experienced no side effects and have no memory of the treatments (they are done under anesthesia nowadays). I have had maintenance treatments in the intervening years - again with no side effects.
Today, I am a (relatively) happy and productive member of society and feel good about myself and my life. It has been 13 years since my initial treatments and those have been the best 13 years of my life.
I took ECT as a last resort, recalling the horror stories and the depiction of shock therapy in the movies. I had no idea of the fact that while those depictions may have been accurate at the time, they do a tremendous disservice to contemporary ECT. It’s time to tell the truth about ECT and help people who need the treatments to get help that may save their lives.
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ECT is the worst experience of my life. Had 5 treatments. I was severely depressed. I didn’t eat for about a month or longer. Lost around 30 pounds or so. I can remember a little bit from last year. I was weak. It was hard for me to shower. I just needed to be helped. My husband could have helped. He told me to do the ECT. The Dr. in the hospital signed me up so fast I didn’t even know I was going to do ECT myself. They did an EKG on me the same day I went in to the mental heath unit. Next morning I was doing an ECT treatment. They did 2 in a row and then the following week every other day. I was so weak I thought my body was going to give up and I was going to die. I was so malnourished at the time my hair was falling out in clumps. I was so weak I could barely hold myself up I felt so dizzy during that time. I don’t know why a Dr. would think it would be healthy to put someone under anesthesia and induce a seizure 5 times 9 days? If my child has a fever or is sick he can’t go to school within a 24 hour period. Somethings are just not right. I said no to the 6th treatment because I was too weak and I read in the hospital I had the right to refuse treatment. It was also getting very inconvenient for everyone involved. My husband worked and I stayed at home with our child. We did not have daycare. I have memory loss issues. Both short-term and long-term. Especially during that time period during the treatments. I forgot phone numbers, passwords, where i put stuff, how to make something and so on. I felt like a child who needed to learn things all over again. I repeat myself a lot. for instance I will tell my sister the same story 4 times and not remember I had already told her. My sister has been concerned about this situation ever since my ECT treatments. She says I forget things a lot and I repeat things a lot. The ECT treatments are painful. They say it doesn’t hurt. You will be under anesthesia. Holy crap! Have you gotten and IV lately and the nurse tried 6 times to get it in? Then 45 minutes later after all the bloody poking at 6 am then they put you out to make you to have a seizure and you awake to the horrible body aches and sore throat. Your throat and body hurts for days. Your body actually doesn’t even get to heal because you do the treatments every other day. Your head is pounding so hard. And the ringing in your head doesn’t stop. The first time I woke up gasping for air. I felt as if I were drowning. They said that was normal for the first time and they would adjust the anesthesia next time. It scared me so bad I didn’t sleep one minute before my next treatment. Now I was losing sleep. It’s been a little over a year now since my ECT treatments. I now even have anxiety every night I go to bed. I fear hospitals and Dr.’s as well. Just the smell of the hospital makes me sick. I feel isolated from just about everyone. I have been on about 20 different medications. I found one that has helped me deal with Depression. It’s not a cure. But ECT is not normal. People told me all the good things about it. Well I did it and it’s not good. Not for me anyhow….
So much controversy. Truth on both sides I think. I would be interested in communicating with you John Doe, entry on 1/06, as you seem to be on the pro side. Does anybody know of ECT being used on individuals in their late 80s? My father who is a physically healthy 87 year old (except for some balance issues and weakness in his legs) struggles terribly with depression. He is rapid-cycling bipolar; literally up one day, down the next. His highs are a problem too, altho he is not manic in the sense that he gets himself into trouble, but he gets feisty and feels invincible at those times; underestimates his abilities. Perhaps nothing will help him because he has become fixated on this belief that his central nervous system is unique, unlike anyone else’s. At age 7 he breathed in lead fumes from melting old lead batteries and making them into toy lead soldiers. He was never hospitalized or treated at that time for any kind of lead poisoning. Recent metal testing did show elevated levels of lead in his system. So he went thru chelation and the levels dropped. But now he believes he is maybe worse from pulling the lead from his system after 80 years. Some of it, perhaps most of it, is because he is very self-absorbed, so focused on himself and on every little symptom he feels in his body. He’s tried many medications but I don’t believe he has ever stuck with any of them long enough to see if they will really help. When he is down he just wants to be dead. He refers often to a Wall Street Journal article about a billionaire who took his life because he just couldn’t find the right help; all the money in the world couldn’t help him. I don’t think my father would ever actually take his life but I know he is anguishing mentally. It’s like he’s backed himself into a corner, believing there just isn’t anybody else out there like him whos been through what he’s been through, with a central nervous system like his. I wonder if he doesn’t have narcississitic personality disorder. He is a very amazing guy in so many ways; at 87 still kicking strong and mentally alert, etc. I just wish we could find some help, but again, if he unconscientiously, or conscientiously, feels nothing out there is going to work for him because he is so unusual, well, maybe nothing will. I mean I think he gets hopeful about something but then any little symptom becomes a negative of the treatment, or it’s not working fast enough. I think he wants a miracle, but it’ll have to be a top-of-the-line one-of-a-kind very special kind of miracle cuz he’s such a special guy. Lordy. I think prayer may be MY best option! Thanks for any response.