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This is my comment to the FDA though it did not get onto the website. I heard they had 1,500 comments but only 269 were on the website lasst time I looked.

‘A quote from the FDA website:

‘What does the FDA do:
‘FDA is responsible for protecting the public health by assuring the safety of human and veterinary drugs……..medical devices……and products that give off radiation.’

In this debate we have on the one hand the psychiatrists and ECT machine manufacturers who earn their living from ECT. We should also include a few patients who are given a voice by the above and earn their living via books and lectures.

On the other hand we have the patients who have had their brains damaged permanently, many of whom can no longer earn a living. Mostly their cries are not heard or if they are heard, are not listened to. However they are what we know in the UK as ‘expert patients’. ‘Expert patients’ understand their condition more than the ‘professional experts.’

The FDA’s first priority should be to protect patient’s health and not to protect the wallets of psychiatrists and ECT machine manufacturers.

The FDA has a responsibility, not just to patients in the USA, but to all over the world where their ECT machines are exported. Does the USA want to export misery to the world? Lobotomy was wrong and so is ECT – electrical lobotomy.

To the psychiatrists I say, ‘First, do no harm.’

Our brains work in millivolts. ECT machines work in hundreds of volts.
You wouldn’t run an electric current across your computer hard drive in the hope of getting rid of a virus would you?

If the psychiatrists and ECT machine manufacturers truly believe that ECT machines do not harm the patient then they should be willing to have their machines tested to prove beyond doubt who is right.

Let’s put this to bed once and for all.

Keep ECT machines in class III and have them tested now.

Mrs Cheryl Prax
19 Jan 2011′

NB In the UK we have the MHRA but they say it is not their business to test the machines as it is a ‘treatment’. They say it is up to the psychiatrists. They say that the machines are CE marked and that is good enough! I said this only protects the person pushing the button not the person who has a few hundred volts going through their brain.

First of all i am happy your site is back to normal. Was awfull to see cialis and viagra links on this site.By myself. I got 160 ECT between 1996-2004 .I can say ,there is not a bigger pain then this Nazi ECT therapy. I lost half of my memory capacity ,but i can not forget the first time when i was called to get ECT. Just after i get this treatment i was horrified scared ,and be cause of this i run in pijamas from hospital. Of course they got me and be cause of this they give me more and more ECT. For readers just to imagine how do you feel in the moment when ECT hits your brain.You feel as you explode and u get back to normal, .Please if you need support post a donate button on your site .Iwill be happy to support your fight against this criminal procedure called ECT.

They force drugs down your throat that make you insane and alienated sad and tired,whether you want them or not, why? because they imagine you as being mentally ill and not emotionally or psychologically concerned, which is 90% + or most of what ails the majority of troubled minds and the emotionally challenged, one needs counseling and the other apparently needs poisoning or electrocuting,when youve built a tolerance to all the combinations of poisons that oppress depress and tire you and keep you in despair and of course eventually stop working, as they do, you will get a new combination of poisons to build a tolerance to,and when you build a tolerance to the new forced combination of poisons, they will give you another combination, which you will build a tolerance to, eventually when all the combinations dont work anymore you will be electrocuted, this electrocution is to shut you down, because by this stage after a number of poison combinations that have all destroyed your life and your mind you will have been trying to make them stop for years, your fight to stop them poisoning you, the harsh words you have spoken to them in despair for the forced poisons and the life they have stolen and destroyed with their forced poisons ,” Yours” Will anger them, because you make them feel bad about them and their care, they dont like that sort of talk What is comes down ti is that they have failed, and thats what its always going to come down to when you oppress poison and dominate with poisons and incarceration to the non compliant,as you do, thy know electricity will shut you down and vegetate you and steal your mind and your intelligence, it will dumb you down and alienate you more than you could imagine, it will make you ratty, and far more insecure and scared than you have ever known or would have thought possible, but you will be sent back home(all fixed up) after all this abuse to be forced poisoned until the end of your mental health oppressed life, as you always were, and it doesn’t matter who you write to or complain to, the only person who will be able to change this abuse is the abusing doctor,and he or she simply cant or wont rock the psychiatric boat or he or she will be outcast, sidelined as a professional non compliant, no government affiliated department will help you from the prime minister down,They sympathise with your pain and the sadness of it all, but they all send back no answers, but a steer to someone else, who will steer you to someone else, What Mental Health are doing is nothing short of abuse, without a doubt, broken hearts, assaulted bodies and minds crying out, only to be electrocuted.

John: I completely agree with everything you have stated. I am an ECT survivor…an angry one… You describe the ECT experience to a T. I am relieved to know I am not the only person who thinks the way you do. I am curious to know some more of your story/thoughts.

Thanks Dana, I am relieved other people like yourself are talking about the truth, their truth, of electrocution, we just need to come together somehow, to voice our anger, and our despair, collectively, its always the voice of the majority of the people that changes law, when governments are embarrassed into change, pretty much, and Its so obvious and wrong that the poisons these people force down your throat, mirror exactly, in side effects, any mental illness out there,( look it up) but to prove that these poisons are doing that to you, in spite of it being written on the packet,and being all over the internet, you need another psychiatrist to go against his or her colleague, whose, tagged you, and poisoned you, tears and despair, just don’t work, when the psychiatrists have got blinkers on, and are sadly acting oblivious to tears pain or despair, you would also need to be off these poisons to prove that also, because they make you sad and mad and alienate you in a fog, to some of comfort others of terror, so you have to turn up sane to prove your sane, and they’ve got you, insane, on a bag of poisons, and, where psychiatry sits in judgement,and that’s a fair trial, can you imagine if it was easy to get another psyche to go against his or her mate, and the insecurity, both in the community, and in the psychiatric profession if they were to go about, disagreeing with their mates, better to keep the blinkers on unfortunately, I write and research every day Dana, Ive got heaps of stuff Ive written, but am yet to express it all, although, i post a lot, nearly every day, Ive got a website, that im really keen on, getting going, but need my web guy to help me sort it properly, and find some time, I know that finding sick, and poisoning it, and building on it, isn’t the way to go, finding the good is the way to go, and building on that, in fact not trying to see sick, sick should be downplayed and not built up, but down, Nor recognized as THE player, you know! what you see is what you get, sadly it might not be what you see, or want anyone else to imagine or see either, but if they do, your going to be sick, and, its what your going to get, whether you, or your loved ones want you to have it or not, regardless of what anyone reckons, that is abuse in any normal caring thinking brain, outside of the psychiatry of psychiatry it is, in the normal undrugged reality of a caring noninvasive open mind it is, if its not, then God help us, because no one in the government system is, and for the victims who feel abused psychiatry isn’t either, great if your OK with it all, and you feel like its helping you, we’ve got no problems with that, have we, but if your not OK with it, tell psychiatry, the offender.
That’s exactly, why we have to get together in numbers, not to undermine those who are OK with it, we love them, but to stop Psychiatrists doing it to others who aren’t OK with it, and especially the little kids they’re poisoning and unbelievably electrocuting, they shouldn’t even be allowed to talk after that, or be allowed to be seen with credibility, let alone continue to act like a doctor, hitting little kids on the head with a hammer doesn’t help, anyone intrinsically knows that, more so, those that believe that that’s what it is, especially the victims, Hope I haven’t knocked anyone’s senses or thoughts or feelings about, if I have I’m sorry to you, I hope you accept my apology, I don’t mean to harm anyone, its just that anger has taken over my psyche e, too many wars, this one being the war to end all wars, i cant see another force in the world, outside of war mongering, that could cause the harm, that someone could, messing with your mind, and your feelings and thoughts , could you? i mean, even in war, your dead, its over, but when someone is making you take poison that is making you sick every day mind body and soul and want to do that for the rest of your life and telling lies about it making you even madder and sadder and more in despair, what are you going to do? Ive realized all these other wars must have been for me to learn something about wars, so that i could, now because i have to, take on a far more evil, and sinister offender,and these people have got more moves than a tin of worms, that’s why im here, trying to chip away at the big brick wall of psychiatry, casting a shadow over the healthy sunny days and ways, that we once all knew, back in the day, remember, something like that, the irony is that its psychiatry that has to help because being on Poison is killing your life and you, going on Poison sends you mad, and coming off Poison sends you mad, and somewhere in that journey of despair, they change that to an injection, and keep you permanently trapped, in a clamp of madness, every two weeks, so there’s no escape, forever and ever. and that’s even harder to come off, because the injection they use to keep you captive gives you tardive diskenesia, the pills wont, so you need their help, very nasty people, Thank you.
I’m zeroing, dark stuff hey, John.

This is a wonderful site. I am glad someone recommended it on another site I was looking at. I have suffered from the abuse of ECT therapy on me now for six years. I got my last one about 10 months ago. I have not volunteered for any of these treatments. I am told they are to treat my PTSD from being in the middle east. I believe it is to make me forget things that I experienced and to better control me as a soldier. I hate how much of my life I have forgotten or have jumbled in my head because of the shocks I have gotten. My heart and prayers go out to all of you who have had this therapy. It is an inhumane way to treat another living person and much be banned.

, I don’t mean to harm anyone, its just that anger has taken over my psyche e, too many wars, this one being the war to end all wars, i cant see another force in the world, outside of war mongering, that could cause the harm, that someone could, messing with your mind, and your feelings and thoughts Hava Perdesi Fiyatlari
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Hava Perdeleri, could you? i mean, even in war, your dead, its over, but when someone is making you take poison that is making you sick every day mind body and soul and want to do that for the rest of your life and telling lies about it making you even madder and sadder and more in despair, what are you going to do? Ive realized all these other wars must have been for me to learn something about wars

Will anger them, because you make them feel bad about them and their care, they dont like that sort of talk What is comes down ti is that they have failed, and thats what its always going to come down to when you oppress poison and dominate with poisons and incarceration to the non compliant,as you do, thy know electricity will shut you down and vegetate you and steal your mind and your intelligence, it will dumb you down and alienate you more than you could imagine, it will make you ratty, and far more insecure and scared than you have Hava Perdesi
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Hava Perdesi Fiyatlariever known or would have thought possible, but you will be sent back home(all fixed up) after all this abuse to be forced poisoned until the end of your mental health oppressed life, as you always were, and it doesn’t matter who you write to or complain to, the only person who will be able to change this abuse is the abusing doctor,and he or she simply cant or wont rock the psychiatric boat or he or she will be outcast, sidelined as a professional non compliant, no government affiliated department will help you from the prime minister down

How do I find all the topics we were discussing before the hacking? I don’t know how to access anything anymore.

I think my last ECT treatment was in 2008. Still, my memory is basically gone for almost 30 years prior to that except for a few things around a brief period. I am still very angry and struggling. I had 30-36 treatments during a year period. I am not sure. I wish I could remember how I was before that the doctor felt I needed such drastic measures. If I had been able to make decisions rationally, I know I would never have done that. Now, he will not call me and explain what I was like or what required these measures. I just need to know. I have gone through cognitive rehab training and am much better now but still my prior life is gone. This is unfair to my family, my husband has lost his wife and my children have lost their mother. I grieve this loss daily. I also wonder, will I always have to take medicine? Will I ever be able to stop taking antidepressants? I am told because I have “such a history” with I think four or five hospitalizations and several relapses, that it is best I take my medicine long-term. I take wellbutrin, abilify and was on trazodone for sleep. I basically don’t sleep. I wonder if that could still be some effect of the ECT? Also, I am weaning myself off of the abilify just in case that is the culprit. I just want to feel like I have some control over something. I used to be a nurse, a Unit Manager then a Clinical Supervisor until I had a wreck and was injured. That is when the depression became an issue, big time. I just wonder, have others had the same memory loss to this extent from ECT, do you struggle with questions, and do you want to stop your medicines at times like me?

Dear Carroll i have been thinking about you and what you have written for a few days now, im not a doctor im just a carer,and i feel for you and what you have had to go through, Ive seen what this electricity does to people, and Ive seen the people that do it, and Ive seen the reasons they reckon they need to do it for as well, and Ive got my own opinion on what i think it does and why they use it, without knowing your history and where and when it all began its hard to say the way forward or away from what might have been necessary at the time and what still might be necessary, the experts are supposed to help you with that, but from what i have read they haven’t, medication is supposed to be a temporary help to slow down your concern so you can access your feelings with the help of an understanding evolved counselor or psychologist in not such a troublesome way, where you are given new ways to cope with and see your concerns in not such a heavy way, so you can change the things you need to change and be aware of what they are and how to change them, either way you would need someone like that to help you get through the withdrawal process, and when you withdraw it sends you mad so you have to go very slowly and carefully, its the same going on it, let alone for a lot of people being on it sends them mad,so really the only way to find out is to give it a go, here is where the trouble lies, one one hand you have mental health who don’t want to say they are ever wrong, or have ever been wrong, and in fact will say to anyone who challenges them that they don’t understand or have no insight, and because of that, wont be prepared to let you get off their poison, that they are saying is keeping you sane, so you will need to be strong enough in yourself to rise above their no hope, no way, keep you drugged approach, most psychologists know the answer isn’t in poison but they don’t have the power to help you realize that in the reality body sense,( they cant stop the poisoner) only in the mind sense or in your heart or thinking, but that is the first step, the belief and the confidence that you can get better without needing or being poisoned, from there it is a long careful and slow process avoiding withdrawal insanity along the way, putting diet , behavior and attitude at the top of the list, to keep on top of, but no one is going to know until it is given a go, that’s the reality and its not what mental health are about, so if you can get them to let you try it, that’s about all you can do until they nod, if they don’t let you which i suspect will be the case, then you are like the rest of the victims out there, up shit creek without a paddle. As far as the hospitalizations go, all of my loved ones hospitalizations were caused by medication withdrawals, basically a young and vulnerable teenager trying to escape the oppression and the forced poison body and mind effect, so either being on it going on it, or coming off it, all send you mad, so its mostly a case of the chicken before the egg argument, and in that sense hospitalizations don’t count, or matter, in reality they were always going to happen, especially when in your heart you know its wrong and you are driven and forced to stop it on your own because the poisoners wont listen, so in that sense and more than likely if you identify, the poisoners have caused all your withdrawals, and with that comes insanity, that’s not necessarily you is it ? also these poisons like all poisons have a shelf life in as far as effect goes and once you build a tolerance they stop working, then they try a new combination until you build tolerance to those, until eventually all the combinations that you build tolerances to don’t work anymore, that’s when you get electrocuted. That’s to shut you and your fight down because it was making them feel bad about their care and them, the poison was never going to work as a permanent thing only as a temporary thing, but because they work on permanent, and selling as much poison as possible, you are going to be a drug cushion or pin cushion for the rest of your life if they have their way, also just remember when they put you on a poison they get a pat on the back for finding another lunatic they can cure, sorry manage an imagined illness with. they admit they don’t cure, they only manage, so even in that there is no hope and their happy with that.
I think you knocked on the wrong door in the first place, and unfortunately the host wont let you go home to where you belong, drug free, clear minded, safe in your sanity, fully there and unaffected by poison in mind and soul with your family and loved ones, free form drug pushers and sick see-errs,. Sleeping is the number one concern for the people with emotional and mental/ or psychological problems, and sleeping is the number one cure for stress or emotional concern or drug induced psychosis which isn’t a real psychosis and is again the number one ailment in the mix of concerns or mind problems with most troubled teenagers or young adults, or partly the cause, psychiatry adds drugs that make you hallucinate to this group when sleep and no drugs is the proper treatment, they increase the drug and psychosis effect with hallucinogens and then they make their diagnosis, so if you can get away from them I think you stand a chance of getting well and sane again, but again you will have to have good people in place to support you in an ongoing sense, you would have to get mental health and the psyche to agree to give it a go, and you would have to be very careful with your behavior, ie; no drugs or alcohol, and the withdrawal process, but if you believe and have the right people around you there is no reason why you cant be and feel ok drug free, nearly all mental health victims want to not be drugged because of the debilitating effect of them, and most people know that mind problems and concerns are temporary and that working through them and finding answers that alleviate the concerns is a fait accompli reality right through our life, especially with our family and friends who care for us and watch out for us and only want the best for us and who believe in us, anyway i wish you luck, you sound like you know what you need to do, well at least need to try and do, you can only hope that one, they will let you try, and two all goes well when you try, I guess you would have to try to find out, just be aware that when you come away from the poison it sends you a bit mad, so getting through that initial process you need people around you who don’t see sick in everyone they look at, and who can rise above that sick seeing doctrine and see the well trying to break free, and can encourage that try and encourage and support you for trying it, Hope your OK with my response and i hope your future holds great things/changes for you and your family. Yours Sincerely John

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John. You have said it all. Good on you mate! I went to see a film called ‘Shock Head Soul’ about a man at the end of the 1800’s who went into an asylum for 9 years. He wrote an amazing manuscript about his struggle with madness and appealed to a tribunal to let him out in spite of his madness. It was a bit heavy. At the end there were questions and answers to the director. Someone asked if the man had been admitted to an asylum in the 1950’s and given anti psychotics would he have been able to write such a manuscript. I could not stop myself from shouting out ‘No!’ The director agreed that it would have been difficult but at least he would have been ‘spared’ the pain of his symptoms rather than having to work through them!

The ECT machines must remain as the dangerous machines they are!! They alter lives forever in a few seconds, I can only hope there might be an occasional “success”. I wonder, if there are any studies which show whether there is any relationship between ECT and the trouble with retrieval of the correct words in sentences. I have pauses as I attempt to talk, to find the “right word”. It was 2008 since my last ECT treatment. I continue therapy and multiple meds. Also, will the memory loss improve, will the problem with word retrieval improve or worsen and basically, what can I expect? Please, anyone with knowledge, respond..

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I am thankful for have this forum – it helps me feel not so alone. I am an ECT survivor – I live yet my life is not the same. I lost years of memory and continue to have significant ongoing memory issues. I can’t take a job – how can the use of ECT be legal? I just don’t understand.

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